I have been meaning to write this information for a while.
I think it's very important for buyers to know ahead of time what silicone really is, what to expect and how to maintain it.
First is the Type. There are two types of silicone. Tin and Platinum.
Tin was the first silicone to be used in the doll industry. It was cheaper than platinum and easy to work with. Most earlier dolls were poured in tin.
There wasn't a lot of education on the lifespan of tin and those dolls that were poured in tin, today are breaking down. They become sort of like an eraser... over time they leech oil and lose their elasticity. The joints of dolls tear and the silicone can crumble. Some resemble pieces of cheese where mice or bugs have eaten through. If you one day pick up your doll and a finger/ toe/ head falls off, most likely its tin. The easiest way to know if your doll is tin is to paint it with some platinum silicone paint. If after 4-8 hours the paint just wipes away, it is tin.
Unfortunately, there is no saving tin. Some deteriorate at a faster rate than others but eventually, all tin dolls will fall apart.
* many ask what they can use to repair their tin silicone for a temporary solution or fix. Best silicone is SilPoxy by Smooth On. Its expensive but does the trick for gluing rips or tears on tin. Sometimes fish tank silicone caulk at Walmart works great too. Needs to smell like vinegar.
* many ask what they can use to repair their tin silicone for a temporary solution or fix. Best silicone is SilPoxy by Smooth On. Its expensive but does the trick for gluing rips or tears on tin. Sometimes fish tank silicone caulk at Walmart works great too. Needs to smell like vinegar.
Learning from these troubles, doll castors changed to platinum silicone. Currently, experts say platinum will last time. And so far that is true. There has been no breaking down. All dolls today (with the exception of silicone dolls made in China) are poured in platinum. It is now a given.
EcoFlex, Dragon Skin, Rebound are all types of Platinum Silicone and are used for many molding, casting and pouring purposes. Most dolls today are poured in EcoFlex.
EcoFlex, Dragon Skin, Rebound are all types of Platinum Silicone and are used for many molding, casting and pouring purposes. Most dolls today are poured in EcoFlex.
Second is Shore. Different silicone softness is called Shore. The higher the shore, the harder the silicone.
Older silicone was made of a harder silicone.... first in Dragon skin, 50 shore.
Then it became EcoFlex 50 (very similar to Dragon Skin) and next was Eco 30 and then Eco 20 and then 10.
Now some are doing EcoFlex 10 plus an additive called Slacker, which makes it feel like marshmallow. AMAZING feeling silicone! However, any additives to a solid silicone can weaken its original state. Things like pulling at a silicone arm would be more harmful to a doll with slacker in it. There is also a higher chance of the surface of the silicone giving off more oils (its called leeching, where the additives used to soften the silicone is trying to escape thru the surface causing it to be oily), therefore, altering the surface paint or matte, possibly causing it to come off over time. We are all still new to Slacker and the results over time and at this moment in history cannot guarantee its original state/shape/paint.
The interesting part about silicone is.... the harder the silicone, the more detail is retained... 50 is the closest to the original clay sculpt you can get in silicone. Once you hit shore 30 your detail starts to soften.
Someone asked me to write a piece on the feel of the different shore or what is termed Durometer Shore Hardness scale
50 shore ~ like a hard bendable eraser
30 shore ~ like squishing the palm of your hand or a gel insert for your shoes
20 shore ~ like squishing the fat pad between your thumb and forefinger
10 shore ~ like squishing your ear lobe or a gummy bear
Marshmellow ~ like a memory foam pillow or mattress
Someone asked me to write a piece on the feel of the different shore or what is termed Durometer Shore Hardness scale
50 shore ~ like a hard bendable eraser
30 shore ~ like squishing the palm of your hand or a gel insert for your shoes
20 shore ~ like squishing the fat pad between your thumb and forefinger
10 shore ~ like squishing your ear lobe or a gummy bear
Marshmellow ~ like a memory foam pillow or mattress
Third is Paint. The only thing that sticks to silicone is silicone. So painting a silicone doll must be done in a platinum silicone base. Silicone is VERY temperamental and if anything touches your silicone that it does not like, your paint won't stick.
Latex, nope
Tin, nope
Oils in hands, nope.
A rainy day with Netflix on but the volume is on low, nope...lol, just joking.. sort of.
A rainy day with Netflix on but the volume is on low, nope...lol, just joking.. sort of.
Very temperamental with a mind of its own!!!
Here is some knowledge on painting different silicone softness. The softer the silicone, the harder it is to paint... think about painting on a canvas versus a wet noodle... It's HARD to get detail and retain it.
Also, when you paint a canvas the details stay unaffected. A line is a line.
But when you paint on a noodle.. or better imagined on a balloon... you paint a line and the balloon moves in your hand or deflates a little.. the lines on the balloon change. Sometimes they soften and aren't so defined.
The same is with soft silicone. Lines aren't as distinct on softer silicone. And now with the marshmallow silicone, it's one step softer and harder to paint and retain that clean line you can get on vinyl or harder silicone.
Additional Info: I've had questions about painting and it sticking. Why won't my paint stick? So there could be a few reasons. Are you painting tin? Cause your platinum silicone won't stick. End of discussion, lol
Has your piece been properly prepped and washed? Silicone Pieces sometimes have release mold on them and can't be painted until they are properly prepped.
Do you have oils on your hands? Do you have anything with latex around? Silicone paint won't stick if there is oil, dirt or latex on the surface. Some gloves say latex-free but can cause paint to not stick. True story, been there done that, cried over it!
Is your paint bad? Well, one way to tell is, if you paint is curing in its pot, it's not. If it's still wet after even an hour, it's no good.
Did you mix the right ratio of A and B? Exact amounts of equal proportions.
When you thin down your silicone paint it loses its strength.. don't make your paints too thin. They will peel
In the end, it could be your silicone piece. It may have touched something on the way to you OR your pourer may have prepped it with something that is reacting to your paint. If nothing else is working, talk to your pourer... it doesn't mean the piece is bad! and you need a refund... it just may mean they can problem-solve with you.
Additional Info: I've had questions about painting and it sticking. Why won't my paint stick? So there could be a few reasons. Are you painting tin? Cause your platinum silicone won't stick. End of discussion, lol
Has your piece been properly prepped and washed? Silicone Pieces sometimes have release mold on them and can't be painted until they are properly prepped.
Do you have oils on your hands? Do you have anything with latex around? Silicone paint won't stick if there is oil, dirt or latex on the surface. Some gloves say latex-free but can cause paint to not stick. True story, been there done that, cried over it!
Is your paint bad? Well, one way to tell is, if you paint is curing in its pot, it's not. If it's still wet after even an hour, it's no good.
Did you mix the right ratio of A and B? Exact amounts of equal proportions.
When you thin down your silicone paint it loses its strength.. don't make your paints too thin. They will peel
In the end, it could be your silicone piece. It may have touched something on the way to you OR your pourer may have prepped it with something that is reacting to your paint. If nothing else is working, talk to your pourer... it doesn't mean the piece is bad! and you need a refund... it just may mean they can problem-solve with you.
Matting on silicone,.... ahhhhh a silicone artists nemesis. Matting is the Fourth thing.
Silicone cures (dries) shiny. Matting dulls the paint to a matte. Most silicone mattes come in the form of powder. Matting silicone is done at the last stage of painting a silicone doll and is maybe the most cumbersome, death-defying stage of the whole process. It can make your baby alive or can ruin all your hard work and thousands of dollars worth of silicone baby... just in the matte.
Silicone cures (dries) shiny. Matting dulls the paint to a matte. Most silicone mattes come in the form of powder. Matting silicone is done at the last stage of painting a silicone doll and is maybe the most cumbersome, death-defying stage of the whole process. It can make your baby alive or can ruin all your hard work and thousands of dollars worth of silicone baby... just in the matte.
Again, the softer the silicone the harder it is to matte. And the quicker the matte can be rubbed off. Now I've been doing this for 13 years and as much as I have perfected my matting skills, I still have a challenge of matting on every doll I create. The biggest problem is EVENTUALLY every silicone doll will get a shiny spot. Usually on the spots most touched... knuckles, knees, toes, chin.... All which can be rematted (given nothing has touched it so that the silicone won't be inhibited).. but it will happen.
Because there has been a HUGE craze with soft, soft marshmallow silicone right now, I am going to forewarn, paint and matte will rub off quicker than a regular 50 or 30 or 20 shore silicone. That SOFT silicone movement just changes the surface every time it jiggles. Again think about dried glue on a solid glass surface compared to a surface like a balloon. It moves and pulls up much quicker on a moving surface. And because the super soft marshmallow silicone is still new, there is still lots to be learned.
So the next topic is Maintaining a silicone doll. I include these instructions with all my dolls
- When you pick your baby up support them by the head and a hand on their back, never let the head tip back. If the silicone is Eco 20-30, the silicone can slip from the rings or joints.
- DO NOT pick them up by the arms or legs, they will tear or come loose if a cloth body or rip the seam in the armpit of a silicone. IF baby is 20-10 shore, the joints of the baby will tear easier. DO NOT pull or tug on arms or legs. IT CAN RIP AT JOINT.
- DO NOT force your Silicones arms into a position they will not comfortably go, this can cause tearing under the arms or inside near the elbows.
- DO NOT force the legs into a full sitting position this can also cause tears, do not bend the legs forwards at the knees as it can tear behind the knees.
- Be careful with your silicone’s hair, it is not sealed on the inside so some shedding will occur over time, if you ‘play ‘ with your baby then you will expect some hair loss. Brush gently.
- If your baby becomes a little ‘fluffy’ nearly all silicones will eventually attract dust and fluff, you can use a good quality makeup blush brush to dust off your baby and then brush over a fine layer of baby powder or matting powder) if your baby has any shine or makes dressing them easier. Usually, a little bit of tape over the skin will pick up any lint, as well.
- Some say it is all right to bathe your silicone and some do not recommend it. I do not recommend it. If you choose to, do not do it too often. It will wreck your paint (not the sculpts). Rinse well, do not rub hard or you can damage the paint. NEVER RUB YOUR SILICONE.
- Dry your baby carefully, pat dry, then leave on the towel and air dry fully, using a cotton bud make sure all the water is out of the ears, behind the ears and around the eyes, for open mouth babies make sure the inside of the mouth is dry.
- Do not pick or scratch or rub your babies skin. This will affect the paint.
- Continually rubbing, sliding (in and out of a pacifier) or touching (oily fingers) can cause the silicone to get a shiny spot or a paint rub.
- When dressing you can wrap the limbs with saran wrap first and then dress. It will allow the cloth to slide along the limbs easier and save the life of your paint.
- DO NOT use baby lotions on your baby.
- All Silicones have slight imperfections this is normal and is part of the OOAK making, mold making, casting and pouring and putting your baby together.
- When using a pacifier, only use a SILICONE nipple/teat, do not use a nipple/teat that is too large for your silicones mouth as it will stretch it. Gently place one pinky in the mouth and lightly pull open. Insert pacifier.
- Do not leave a magnetic dummy/pacifier on for long periods of time as this can dent the silicone.
- Make sure all dark and bright dyed clothing has been prewashed to prevent any staining on your silicone. Sometimes even after washing dark clothes, they will still stain. This also goes for anything they may come in contact with that is dark.
- Try not to powder areas of the doll that are meant to be wet or shiny looking. ie. lips, nails, eyelids. The powder can sometimes act as an abrasive against these parts and cause the silicone to peel.
- DO NOT use any latex products with your silicones, either sponges to paint, gloves or latex pillows, some baby pillows and mattresses are latex so its best to check as it will react with the silicone.
- Do not leave your silicones laying/sitting on a hard surface for too long. It can flatten the silicone.
- Do not leave a magnetic pacifier in one spot on the mouth for too long, it can dent the silicone. Softer the silicone, the more risk.
- DO NOT jam your finger (or let anyone else) into your baby’s mouth as the corners can quickly be split ~ tip by Laura Tuzio Ross
- If you have a drink and wet baby only use water to feed your baby. Otherwise, it could cause mold and mildew in your baby's insides.
- Even though one can make their paint as permanent as it can be, paint and matting on silicone dolls can be rubbed off if rubbed too hard or too often. They are not vinyl dolls and should not be handled as such. Their paint is still delicate and should be treated and touched with care.
My personal opinions and pet peeves?????
I don't think silicone babies should be bathed... rubbing on the paint only wears on them.
I cringe every time I see someone squeeze silicone babies cheeks and hands and mouths... I just worry about the paint. That is me.
The in and out of a pacifier could wear on the lips of a silicone babies paint... again, I worry about the finish.
So here it is. If you have any questions, write me and I will answer them the best I can and then add them to this list. We need to be informed before our purchases and we need to be informing of the dolls we are creating.
Many hugs, KrisC
How do you or can you add armature to a silicone doll?
ReplyDeleteYou can add an armature in while you are pouring or you can add it in after the baby is poured and cured.
Deletewow thank you for the knowledge I only a little but I feel like I knew nothing.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot to learn in the silicone world. I am still learning too :)
DeleteThank you for learning us all this!
DeleteHoe can a reach you for buying a doll of you? Do you have boys too now? What about the costs of douane(costum fees)(if pakket is send to Belgium the douane ask to pay if the pakket costs more then 22€). But maybe it can be oké if the sender adapt the prize on the box(?)(some seller do that)
Thank you for all this info, it is nice to know the facts before spending a lot of money on a doll and then ruining it.
ReplyDeleteYES!!! I so agree!!! You are very welcome.
DeleteThank you for sharing the facts with us...So appreciate you!
ReplyDeleteAWE! You are very welcome!!
DeleteWhat would you recommend to lay your silicone on???? I thought about a nest or a boppy what do you recommend??? Ty so much Love your babies.....
ReplyDeleteI like blankets but you can get some boppy pillows with cute prints. You safe laying them on anything... just dont let your silicone dolls touch your clay dolls.
DeleteThank you so much for the lesson in silicone. The silicone is still a big unknown, really to what will happen to it years down the road. They are a big expense. How long will they last is still an unknown.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. There is so much more to learn.
DeleteI am new to all of this and deeply fascinated! I want a baby so badly, and I have spent hours reading articles, reviews, watching videos, etc. And i feel like I get mixed answers or little information... I keep seeing babies that say "soft and squishy silicone like" or silicone vinyl. I've never seen a silicone baby in person (I'm dying to hold one ! I imagine the feel is wonderful and super realistic) But I dont have any way of comparing. Do any of those feel anything like silicone? Or feel realistic in any way? I dont want to be disappointed when I finally adopt my first baby and she not feel like I expect..
ReplyDeleteHi, There are so many amazing dolls out there. Some vinyls are harder (comparable to a child's Walmart doll) and others are softer and almost a 'buttery skin feel'. I think Aston Drake makes a vinyl that is just amazing.. I remember my Charlie Webb feeling so incredibly squishy and nothing compared to any Reborn vinyl I had felt. It is wonderful!!! However, REAL platinum soft silicone feels nothing like a vinyl doll. Where a vinyl is hollow and has a different material inside, silicone is silicone all the way thru and when you squeeze it, it feels like real skin... (if you are curious on how that feels, squish your earlobe or the fat pad on your palm). Very different feel. I hope that helps and good luck with your first baby :) KrisC
ReplyDeleteHi Kris,1st let me say THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THESE STEPS TO PEOPLE.ESP WHEN ITS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GOOD HELP FROM SILICONE BABY MAKERS JUST STARTING OUT. Including myself, I have a Question well a couple if u can help me.After my full Plat-sil gel baby I just made I bought it all at BITY.. I used there new plat-sil gel 0020 its soft and you do not have to vacuum out the bubbles I also added there deadener which is like slacker makes them super soft.So when he gets out of mold and wash him I did pat him dry with pet diapers now hes dry so do I paint him first or does he need a think clear layer of more platinum silicone let that cure and then paint him? Other Question after i paint him with the Sil-Pig paint do I let that cure completely and put another clear coat of silicon,and while its curing do I add the matting piwder while its still sticky,or do you matt him as soon as Im done painting him and still tacky from the Sil-Pig pain? I REALLY REALLY NEED UR HELP HES HAS BEEN OUT OF THE MOLD FOR ALMOST A MONTH. BC I CANT FIND OUT TO WHAT I AM TO DO NEXT!! DO I ADD A CLEAR COAT KET THAT CURE THEN PAINT HIM LET THT CURE OR DO I JUST MATT HIM WHILE PAINT IS TACKY..HELP PLEASE..
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thank you for this information - may I borrow the care instructions and modify them please? Also, I have painted a platinum silicone doll and after matting, it is still sticky. What can I do to salvage it - apart from sanding it? Help needed :(
ReplyDeletethank you for this information. I have painted a platinum silicone doll and after matting, it is still quite sticky. What can I do to salvage it?
ReplyDeleteThank you for learning us all this!
ReplyDeleteHow can a reach you for buying a doll of you? Do you have boys too now? What about the costs of douane(costum fees)(if pakket is send to Belgium the douane ask to pay if the pakket costs more then 22€). But maybe it can be oké if the sender adapt the prize on the box(?)(some seller do that)
catherine.duchateau5@gmail.com
Very informative. How can i re paint my baby, she's a full silicone
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the article it is very informative. I just purchased a silicone avatar and was wanting to paint glow dots on it. It is my first silicone so I am learning how to take care of it. Your article is very helpful. What do you recommend as far as cleaning the silicone before painting the dots. And also what would you recommend as far as the matting powder or regular powder to seal the paint.
ReplyDeleteYou are very welcome!!! Thank you for the nice reply! As long as your piece is platinum silicone, you can wash the area with some dawn dish soap and rinse well, then wipe down with some 99%alcohol or acetone and then a wipe of NoVOC gloss. And paint what you would like! (Maybe do a test spot or small spot first to make sure it works well) As for matting powder, there are some awesome options out there. Silicone Velvet matting powder, Just Matte, SAMS finishing powder or FUSEFX matting powder.... I do not recommend matting with anything that is not one of these.
DeleteIs this for sale I want to buy it please tell me its price
DeleteWhen you paint with silicone, do you use brushes or sponges? Mine keeps getting a texture like poison oak/ivy. I'd like it to be more smooth. Is this possible with silicone or is it just a textured medium end of story? For reference, I'm painting a cheap tin cured doll because it was a much cheaper trial option I had.
ReplyDeleteI personally paint with brushes. I feel like there is less chance of cure inhibition with brushes than sponges. When painting platinum you have to pick the right sponges. As for bumpy silicone, you may consider using a little thinner in your silicone to make a smoother finish. Believe it or not, once you matte the silicone will even out some ... as long as the silicone paint isn’t too thick. As for tin, I learned on some tin pieces myself years ago. Just don’t have any of it around when you start to paint platinum as it will inhibit your platinum cure.
DeleteHello thank u for the great information I am a first time reborn mom ..well I have not got one yet unfortunately I was told two times and I hope I can find a newborn to be mine ..there is a lot to worry about with silicone doll what do u suggest I want her to feel real .
ReplyDeleteI ment scammed two times ...
ReplyDeleteCan you paint platinum silicone with tin? I know platinum will not cure over tin but from what I can find, tin should cure over platinum. If you CAN paint platinum in tin, do you have any personal knowledge of that being done and if the paint peeled off faster?
ReplyDeleteWhere do you cure heat set paint?
ReplyDeleteI'm going to be buying my first full silicone baby any advise on if I decide not to get it painted I'm getting it for of therapeutic and it will be handled I'm concerned about painting it for this reason do I have to get it painted is there any downfalls to not painting it?
ReplyDeleteHi Kris , I bought my 1st doll to paint on my own but can’t find out exactly what I need to start as far as paint and mixing agents I’m not sure where to even buy them as you can see this project is definitely a starter lol who knows what this will look like when I’m done , everyone has to start somewhere though . Please advise me of paints and where the best place to purchase them Thanx
ReplyDeleteHow much for silicone baby and do it have drink and wet systems
ReplyDeleteI’ve looked everywhere I can think to and cannot find any info pertaining to how to safely store a blank unpainted silicone. I’m learning the process now but realize it’s going to be a month or three before I can start. How should I store the doll?
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